topic Re: Distorion on back camera in XZ Series

Distorion on back camera

Didgesteve001 — Mon, 02 Oct 2017 13:47:02 GMT

I am a big fan of Sony and have been keeping pace with the compacts since the Z1c. Imagine my disappointment when I pre ordered my XZ1 Compact, got it delivered, only to discover that it cannot take a picture of a straight line.

Yes, my £500 camera can’t take a picture with a straight line in it.

This debate has been going on for some time on the XZP thread (same sensor as the XZ1c) and it looks like Sony are just ignoring it.

Can I get a refund for a camera that doesn’t take quality pictures?

Re: Distorion on back camera

frostitomik — Mon, 02 Oct 2017 18:29:04 GMT

You sir, have a seriously uneven keyboard :smileysmileywink:

Joking aside, yes you can get a refund if you bought it from an official reseller. I am going to get my refund tomorrow.

Re: Distorion on back camera

YoGem — Mon, 02 Oct 2017 19:25:38 GMT

Guys, Sony is not ignoring it. There are multiple blog post, tweets and so on about an upcoming oreo update for the entire XP lineup: One of them is quite old hbut it clearly state "Improvementes are coming" - https://twitter.com/SonyMobileNews/status/903228812338626560

I suppose that once that Oreo will be available for the XZ Premium the same camera update will be federated to all the entire XZ lineup. So, just patience...

Re: Distorion on back camera

Profyler1 — Mon, 02 Oct 2017 20:45:07 GMT

@YoGem wrote:
Guys, Sony is not ignoring it. There are multiple blog post, tweets and so on about an upcoming oreo update for the entire XP lineup: One of them is quite old hbut it clearly state "Improvementes are coming" - https://twitter.com/SonyMobileNews/status/903228812338626560
I suppose that once that Oreo will be available for the XZ Premium the same camera update will be federated to all the entire XZ lineup. So, just patience...

Sir, they are talking about the 3D feature wich came with the XZ1 and XZ1C. They said it multiple time in IFA. There are not mentioning the distortion problem.

Re: Distorion on back camera

Didgesteve001 — Tue, 03 Oct 2017 06:45:48 GMT

the XZ1 Compact comes with Oreo, so no I don't accept your suggestion that it's going to make everything alright..

Re: Distorion on back camera

Lord_viridis — Tue, 03 Oct 2017 11:16:18 GMT

@Profyler1 wrote:
@YoGem wrote:
Guys, Sony is not ignoring it. There are multiple blog post, tweets and so on about an upcoming oreo update for the entire XP lineup: One of them is quite old hbut it clearly state "Improvementes are coming" - https://twitter.com/SonyMobileNews/status/903228812338626560
I suppose that once that Oreo will be available for the XZ Premium the same camera update will be federated to all the entire XZ lineup. So, just patience...
Sir, they are talking about the 3D feature wich came with the XZ1 and XZ1C. They said it multiple time in IFA. There are not mentioning the distortion problem.

Actually they said

Camera improvements.

Not features, improvements..

Re: Distorion on back camera

Bhonder — Wed, 04 Oct 2017 09:14:53 GMT

My XZ1 has distortion issue too. If you note progressive number of the image, DSC_001.jpg you will see that has been the first check i did.

I had to reduce the image's size because it was too big for the forum's restriction but it's original. You can see a "cinemascope" bend towards the center.

I know that it's because the wide angle but Sony, knowing the lens geometry, may implement the correction algorithm. Ricoh does the same with my theta S 360° lenses.

Re: Distorion on back camera

Profyler1 — Wed, 04 Oct 2017 11:15:53 GMT

@Viridis wrote:
@Profyler1 wrote:
@YoGem wrote:
Guys, Sony is not ignoring it. There are multiple blog post, tweets and so on about an upcoming oreo update for the entire XP lineup: One of them is quite old hbut it clearly state "Improvementes are coming" - https://twitter.com/SonyMobileNews/status/903228812338626560
I suppose that once that Oreo will be available for the XZ Premium the same camera update will be federated to all the entire XZ lineup. So, just patience...
Sir, they are talking about the 3D feature wich came with the XZ1 and XZ1C. They said it multiple time in IFA. There are not mentioning the distortion problem.
Actually they said
Camera improvements.
Not features, improvements..

Well, I hope you're right...

Re: Distorion on back camera

Profyler1 — Wed, 04 Oct 2017 11:18:57 GMT

@Bhonder wrote:
My XZ1 has distortion issue too. If you note progressive number of the image, DSC_001.jpg you will see that has been the first check i did.
I had to reduce the image's size because it was too big for the forum's restriction but it's original. You can see a "cinemascope" bend towards the center.

I know that it's because the wide angle but Sony, knowing the lens geometry, may implement the correction algorithm. Ricoh does the same with my theta S 360° lenses.

Its ridiculous... I cant believe this passed the quality control.

As a person who works with testing and Quality, I found it hard to believe that they allowed such thing as this...

And yeah, of course its correctable, there ate several cameras and phones with wide angle lens. A software can correct this if they want to.

Re: Distorion on back camera

Profyler1 — Thu, 05 Oct 2017 10:19:00 GMT

Just got my XZ1C and guess what guys??!!!

I got a curved tv now

Re: Distorion on back camera

enthilzar — Thu, 05 Oct 2017 15:21:25 GMT

Anyone knows what sony has fixed here?

https://developer.sonymobile.com/open-devices/latest-updates/

It says:

017-10-04: Update of AOSP Nougat binaries for Xperia X and Xperia X Compact, Xperia XZ Premium, Xperia XZ1 and Xperia XZ1 Compact, Xperia XZ, Xperia XZs and Xperia X Performance. Fixed camera active array size for all devices and switched to the new vendor format.
Note: All devices must be flashed with the latest Sony software before using the new images. Images are provided as a sparse ext4 image and should be flashed using “fastboot flash oem SW_binaries_for_Xperia_AOSP_N_MR1_4.4_v03_.img”

And again, why are there nougat binaries for XZ1 Compact and XZ1?

Re: Distorion on back camera

donnyjoe — Thu, 05 Oct 2017 15:45:15 GMT

So you can build and run AOSP Nougat on your device, of course. These are the prebuilt binaries that are required to utlilize proprietary hardware (like the camera) for which open source code isn't provided. They don't really have anything to do with the official shipping firmware, but it's a safe bet that any fixes/updates here are already in the shipping firmware.

Re: Distorion on back camera

Profyler1 — Thu, 05 Oct 2017 15:54:09 GMT

@donnyjoe wrote:
So you can build and run AOSP Nougat on your device, of course. These are the prebuilt binaries that are required to utlilize proprietary hardware (like the camera) for which open source code isn't provided. They don't really have anything to do with the official shipping firmware, but it's a safe bet that any fixes/updates here are already in the shipping firmware.

Not sure if I've understand it right. You're saying that this is already implemented in the firmwares that we're already using?

Re: Distorion on back camera

Lord_viridis — Thu, 05 Oct 2017 22:49:51 GMT

They are binaries that tell the device what camera picture sizes are possible.

They have to add it as a separate code outside AOSP as it's proprietary and not a stock piece.

Re: Distorion on back camera

donnyjoe — Fri, 06 Oct 2017 02:07:03 GMT

I'm just saying that if a fix is included in an AOSP binary release, and the issue it fixes also was present in some previously released version of the official firmware, that they would surely have included this fix in the next release of the official firmware as well. It would make little sense to release a fix for AOSP (which is pretty much used only by developer/hobbyist types) without already having fixed the official firmware.

Re: Distorion on back camera

Profyler1 — Fri, 06 Oct 2017 06:42:45 GMT

Oh, OK. There goes my hope..

Thanks anyway

Re: Distorion on back camera

Lord_viridis — Fri, 06 Oct 2017 08:20:28 GMT

Why "there goes my hopes"?

The open device release is completely unrelated to retail software.

Re: Distorion on back camera

Profyler1 — Fri, 06 Oct 2017 08:37:34 GMT

Because I thoght it could have something to do with the distortion bug being fixed...

nevermind..

@Viridis wrote:
Why "there goes my hopes"?
The open device release is completely unrelated to retail software.

Re: Distorion on back camera

Qlien — Sat, 07 Oct 2017 09:21:25 GMT

This looks so terrible! You can't even argue if this is something acceptable. What a shame, I wanted to buy this phone so badly 😕

Re: Distorion on back camera

Profyler1 — Sat, 07 Oct 2017 11:01:50 GMT

@Qlien wrote:
This looks so terrible! You can't even argue if this is something acceptable. What a shame, I wanted to buy this phone so badly 😕

Dont do it. Its a shame.... wait for Sony to fix it, but dont get your hopes high.

Unfortunetly i cant take my money back